Do you wish to see an expansion of the nuclear industry in Australia?

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Why don't we hear more?

about Geothermal Power?
http://www.energycore.com.au/?gclid=CKvu9a-K05ICFQzOiQod-VXceA
In Australia: http://earthtoair.com.au/
"Geothermal energy is one of the most exciting natural renewable energy sources available to man and is in commercial use in over 70 countries world wide. It is used across the globe to heat and cool buildings, for industrial processes, aquaculture and for electricity generation and is a leading source of renewable energy."

via Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_power#Advantages
(advantages/disadvantages)

"A 2006 report by MIT, that took into account the use of Enhanced Geothermal Systems (EGS), concluded that it would be affordable to generate 100 GWe (gigawatts of electricity) or more by 2050 in the United States alone, for a maximum investment of 1 billion US dollars in research and development over 15 years.[11]

The MIT report calculated the world's total EGS resources to be over 13,000 ZJ. Of these, over 200 ZJ would be extractable, with the potential to increase this to over 2,000 ZJ with technology improvements - sufficient to provide all the world's energy needs for several millennia.[11]

The key characteristic of an EGS (also called a Hot Dry Rock system), is that it reaches at least 10 km down into hard rock. At a typical site two holes would be bored and the deep rock between them fractured. Water would be pumped down one and steam would come up the other. The MIT report estimated that there was enough energy in hard rocks 10 km below the United States to supply all the world's current needs for 30,000 years. [11]

Drilling at this depth is now routine for the oil industry (Exxon announced an 11 km hole at the Chayvo field, Sakhalin. Lloyds List 1/5/07 p 6). The technological challenges are to drill wider bores and to break rock over larger volumes. Apart from the energy used to make the bores, the process releases no greenhouse gases."

also see Development around the world:
"...In addition, geothermal heating is used to heat 87% of homes in Iceland. Icelanders plan to be 100% non-fossil fuel in the near future.[15]"

During the Federal election campaign in Australia, the ALP (who now hold power) were talking about Geothermal Development for the first time. Why the silence on this technology now?

Wind power

Wind farms are far to costly, Are quite noisy and if positioned away from cities will then require expensive base stations and power transmition lines just to transport the energy to the city.

To make matters worse 15- 20 wind generators can't even supply enough energy to fulfull the base load of a small city let alone supply large load peak times when it's hot and there is little to no wind.

Nuclear For the Win!!!

Wind Power

Using common sense and "keeping it simple"... small household wind generators are a perfect supplement to household solar generators, when there is no sun, there is usually plenty of wind, when there is no wind, there is usually plenty of sun.

Large scale wind turbines are not needed or necessary when geothermal power is used for base load supply. To be honest, when solar and wind is used on households in combination, enough power could be fed back into the grid to almost negate the need for OUR TAX's being invested further into private base load supply.

Our taxes should be utlised to provide the people (who pay them) with clean energy... simple.

Anonymous, do you work for the nuclear industry???... because you are obviously of a (very small) minority as per the poll figures above.

Wind Power vs nuclear power plants.

Many years ago,Greenpeace asked a German institute to make a report about putting a lot of wind power turbines in the North Sea. Not at a few kilometers away from the beaches, but quite far away. Also they must not be installed on locations where birds or other sealife is resting. The result of that report was that if enough wind power turbines were installed in the North Sea (Europe, between the UK, the Netherlands, France and Belgium) there would be enough energy to close the nuclear and coal plants in those countries. About the costs of transport from the locations in the North Sea to the countries, it is first something that is on a technical base very possible and second, the nuclear plants are now also far away from the cities where the electrical power is needed. In Belgium, you have only 2 locations with 4 nuclear power plants in the far north and 3 nuclear plants in the south. Lines of 380 kV are needed to transport the energy. They cost a lot of money, are sometimes destroyed by storms and are spoiling the environment. It is also proved that living more or less under those lines can cause sickness as cancer etc. The German report was sent to many politicians in charge then, but until now (at my knowledge) no such large wind power turbines are installed in the North Sea. When you visit Zeebrugge on the belgian coast, you can see some quite small wind turbines turning (on land). But that is just not what the report had in mind. Here and there, you can see small wind turbines, but it is true that they make disturbing noise, are spoiling the environment if too close to houses and not suited for locations like the Netherlands, Belgium and the south of the UK where many people are living close to each other. And another point is that not every location is suited to install wind turbines if you install them on land. According to the German report, there is enough wind in the North Sea to get the needed energy. There is much pro and contra about the item, but they should have started some 10-15 years ago with the installation in the North Sea after a very serious study about what that German report told. My opinion is that for the moment, the nuclear costs are kept low because the costs of closing in a safe way a nuclear plant after being too old are not known exactly yet. The IAEA (Int. Atomic Energy Agency of the UN) is in fact responsable to make reports about the safety of the existing nuclear plants and in 2009-2010, there will be a new inspection to see if the existing belgian nuclear plants (to name one country) could still be used in a safe way after 2015. Another unknown cost and solution is "What to do with the nuclear garbage produced by those plants". Many solutions are pssible, but are they safe and how much are the costs? And transporting that nuclear garbage by train or ship is a risk that we just don't know. What will happen if a ship would sink not far away from the coast. Keeping the nuclear garbage on land until we find a solution to make it safe for the next geneations is also not known. And is it ethical to let our children find a solution if we don't find one? Much to think about before going on using nuclear power plants and also build new ones in a near future to reach the Kyoto limits .............

Geothermal Power for Base Load Energy Supply

Just looking at this website whilst doing some research on Geothermal Power. The information is clear. This is a proven base load energy supply.
Why spruke Nuke when the power of the earth lays under our feet?

WATER FIGURES - spread it!

Water consumption figures per unit of energy output:

Nuclear energy: 2.3 L/ per kWh #
Coal: 1.9 L/ per kWh #
Oil: 1.6 L/ per kWh #
Wind*: 0.004 L/ per kWh
Solar^ (PV - photovoltaic panels): 0.11 L/ per kWh

# California Energy Commission (cited in Paul Gipe's WIND ENERGY COMES OF AGE, John Wiley & Sons, 1995)

*American Wind Energy Association estimate, based on data obtained in personal communication with Brian Roach, Fluidyne Corp., December 13, 1996. Assumes 250-kW turbine operating at .25 capacity factor, with blades washed four times annually

^ Meridian Corp., "Energy System Emissions and Materials Requirements, " U.S. Department of Energy, Washington, DC. 1989, p. 23

Wind therefore uses less than 1/600 as much water per unit of electricity produced as does nuclear, and approximately 1/500 as much as coal.

QLD Premier Peter Beattie, 28/10/06:

"At a time when our farming communities are hurting badly, it is a folly for (Prime Minister John) Howard to be entertaining the thought of nuclear power stations in Queensland or anywhere else. Many towns and shires in our state are struggling to get enough drinking water, let alone enough to satisfy the amount a nuclear station would need to guzzle."

Mr Beattie said an independent study commissioned by the Queensland government showed a nuclear power station would use 25 per cent more water than a coal-fired power station.

Mr Beattie said a coal-fired power station produced up to 1,400 megawatts of electricity a year and used around 19,500 megalitres of water to condense and recycle steam.
He said a nuclear power station producing the same output would need about 25,000 megalitres.

“That is the equivalent of at least an additional 5,000 Olympic-size swimming pools a year," Mr Beattie said. "It is water that we simply cannot afford when drought and climate change are drying up water supplies."

Water & CFCs issues often ignored

Additionally, when it comes to the nuclear industry, CFCs and water issues have so far gone largely ignored:

- Uranium enrichment by centrifuge is highly energy (read emissions) intensive.
- Enrichment via the SILEX laser process (research in progress at Lucas Heights and also with General Electric): is a new weapons proliferation concern, hence classified restricted Data by the US & Aust governments.
- Whilst gas diffusion uranium enrichment remains a major source of ozone-depleting CFCs.
(Source: US EPA and Institute for Energy and Environmental Research for the Nuclear Policy Research Institute)
http://www.ieer.org/reports/uranium/enrichment.pdf
Page 10 & 11.

"In 2002, the Paducah enrichment plant emitted more than 197.3 metric tons of Freon into the air through leaking pipes and other equipment. This single facility accounted for more than 55% of all airborne releases of this ozone depleting CFC from all large users in the entire United States in 2002".
(US Enrichment Corporation 2003 p. 8 and EPA 2004).

On a hotter topic for Australia, has our PM ever understood that nuclear reactors boil water? A recognised water crisis (PM sets up water ministry to fix crisis, The Australian 26/9/06) should seal the deal on any federal nuclear "plans":

- Salem nuclear plant, USA: 300 billion gallons per day (excluding uranium mining and high level waste cooling pools)

- BHP Billiton's Olympic Dam mine expansion in South Australia: 152 million litres per day (ignore for now that it's the state's largest electricity consumer plus an additional required 400MW CO2-emitting power station)

- Even the smaller (by size, not by radioactivity) HIFAR research reactor at Lucas Heights: 10 tonnes of water for core cooling alone.

Take these facts into your discussions over the dinner table!

Hiya Adam :-)

thank you for your comment,
informative, and greatly appreciated.

Warm regards
Anne
ps. do i know you?

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vote for nuclear industral

i accidently pushed yes i ment no!!

WOOPS!

i voted YES by mistake!!!!
arg!
:-(
anne

energy conservation, wind and solar are the way to go.

The government has spent quite a lot on research into solar energy but baulks at actually helping to get Australian industries going - unless it's the nuclear industry of course where lots of subsidies are always needed and provided wherever nuclear power goes.

The government does provide subsidies for those who want to put solar water heaters or solar cells on their roofs. However we need to get the solar thermal towers going which can store solar energy as well as use it.

We simply can't afford to add more poisons into our biosphere. We need to harness the sun and the wind and modify our buildings so that they use much less energy. We can do it but a bit of leadership wouldn't go astray!

Start reducing our uranium exports and stop promoting nuclear

1. We should be using every possible strategy for cutting down our tremendously wasteful use of power and making sure that the power industry is no longer based on constant growth and power production. Much of this can be done immediately by using present technologies and restructuring the power indutry so that it promotes the use of less and less power, and more locally generated power instead of constantly increasing power production and distribution networks

2. We should be imediately installing more and more small scale local alternative power schemes and diverting subsidies and capital costs that have been planned for the big power companies to these goals instead.

3. We should be cutting back on nuclear power, exporting uranium and the use of radioactive materials as a matter of great urgency and then promoting Australia as an alternative and an example for others to follow in world forums. John Hill

i would take 3 further...

Though i totally agree with points one and two.

With 3. I want it taken further... Rio Tinto and their royal family interests in nuclear power must END NOW!

This disgusting industry has caused enough harm to our planet and all the species that dwell on her....! It is up to our generation to put a halt to this genocidal mania. It is up to OUR CURRENT GOVERNMENT! Mr Rudd are you listening?????

The nuclear industry should leave Australian shores... AND GO AWAY!... once and for all.

we do not need nukes... we cant use them on each other... we do not need nuke power stations... geothermal can supply mega capacity base load supply... and yes, i totally agree with 1 and 2, if we go local and reduce wasteful practices we do not need BASE LOAD anyhow!

generate our own power... and share it with others.

so simple yet so hard to get through!

Cheers John :-)

Not the issue

The nuclear issue needn't be part of a climate change solution debate, for we know all the reasons why n-power is not viable, let alone safe or sustainable.

More to the point, according to the International Energy Agency 64% of global greenhouse gas emissions do NOT come from generating electricity.

Standby/Off

Yesterday's paper reports that 10% of power used in Australia
is by appliances that are supposedly turned off but are
actually just in standby.

We haven't taken the easy options yet, why look at the
hard ones?

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